all over this like stink on a monkey

that 2nd? game was suprisingly exciting considering it meant nothing and ended in an extremly low frag total. easily the tightest tactical game on dm4 i have seen in a while, tournament play or not. It is xhrl's wet dream :)

we want griffin demos :(

first game in one week! (whine) well played by insane.. great aim considering his ping... i think we both need to be a little more agressive though :)

btw.. where is the dm6 game? :P

omg so H!O!T B<

mm, were is the dm6 ???????????

finally a tough game where you really feel both players try to win. Even though Griffin's skills may surpass some of Dag's top skills, Dag sincerely tries to win, not giving away an inch.

You don't see the football players GG'ing after a tough match and several bruises and injuries?
Why? Because they're there to win, not fool around
like frightened fags in a bar. I feel QW completely lacks intensity, but what the scene lacks Dag surely makes up for.

So how about those Griffin demos? Fuck them! They're like jerking off to a porn mag: cheap and pointless.

Omg dag made a normal comment Be
Dm6 wasnt even any close since i had no chances against your lg B<

i agree with you #8..
intense and serious games is far more funnier than games when they just blindly rushes into each other

griffin demos are fun to watch, _because_ griffin is the most skilled player around. He makes the most of the fast paced game that is qw, if you want to watch "intensity" I'm sure you'd prefer a game like pro-chess. It's also interesting that you use the phrase "frightened fags" - surely they are the people that are too afraid to attack?

Saying that, I didn't think that this was boring at all, at least the first game wasn't.. until they started playing like it was the most important game ever :/ Wasn't it a 'friendly'?

i eat shits like these guys for breakfast. yea u heard me. i eat shit for breakfast.

Your wrong #8. Porn is anything but cheap and pointless. It's the best art form out there.

I'm really shchizo, having to opposite views on porn. (Anonymous)

Consider this: It is an established fact that pigs weren't unhygenic animals to start with, rather they have a tendency towards nastyness as a result of modern effectivisation. Hence, pigs make themselves comfortable in whatever pigstie they find themselves in. It is not inate that a pig is predistinied to like mud. They adapt to the environment.

Like those followers of the dubious art of pornographies: When all you have is shit, well, what you consume must basically be shit. And distinguishing between "shit" and "not shit", thus becomes harder, if not to say impossible.

Enjoy porn to your heart's content. (And pointless demos)

"If it smells like shit and tastes like shit, then it must be shit"

to = two

Pigs are some of the cleanest animals around actually. They're not unhygienic now either, they're just trapped in pigstie's by mankind. Set a pig free and check back after a week (assuming he lives), he'll be alot cleaner than a wild dog, horse, etc.

"If it smells like shit and tastes like shit, then it must be shit"

Well, no. Example: Take some chicken. I don't care how you get it, you sick puppy, just get it. Now, marinate it with some of the most tasteful peppers and whatever around. Now taste it. Does it taste like the marinade? Yes. Does it smell like the marinade? Yes. Is it marinade? No, it's chicken with marinade.

Hence, something that smells like shit, and tastes like shit, doesn't necessarily have to be "just shit".

Anything else you'd like counterargued, mr I'm-Too-Scared-To-Back-Up-My-Opinions-With-My-Name?

My name means as little here as a viking bears ressemblence of a nobleman.

I'm sorry to say, but your argument is flawed.
Your effort, however, is most commendable.

Consider this: Marinated chicken smells like marinade, and tastes like marinade. So far, so good. However, the conclusion you arrive at is not entierly justified: The chicken in itself does not have any flavour except that of a chicken. When you add the marinade, however, the flavour of the chicken changes, as the marinade enters the meat. But what gives the taste of marinade is not the meat, but the previously added marinade. And since the chicken cannot taste marinade without adding marinade, the marinade itself must be what tastes of marinade.

The same can be said about shit. Regardless of what can be found stuck to the chunk of shit, the shit is what smells and tastes of shit.

What I'm trying to convey is that what gives the odour of shit, must be the shit in itself, and nothing else.

Hence,
"If it smells like shit and tastes like shit, then it must be shit"

what the in the name of elvis presley's gym-shorts are you two talking about?

If one leaves a chicken with marinade lying around for three weeks, it might start smelling like shit and even tasting like shit! But is it shit? No!

Hence,
"Don't write as anonymous. It smells and tastes like shit!"

#18:
if i understand correctly it's something like "if it smells like shit and tastes like shit, then it must be marineted chicken"

i lost a connection of that shit with the game tho'
prehaps it's something like : low score -> defensive play -> fear of opponent -> chickening -> marineted shit

dag an In Flames fan?

very, very good demos! dag still has the skills of a dm4 king. Strange though he is known as one of te greatest ever on dm4, I actually think dag's best map in tourney play is really dm6; and i think the stats would stand behind what I write, too. btw, dag is no flames fan, he loves the canucks. and why should he not? the canucks have so many swedes on their roster that vancouver has had to build another ikea just to make them feel more at home:)

Anonymous: all athletes gg after a game, bruises, injuries and all.

Just because you speak vulgarly saying "shit" this "shit" that doesn't make porn vulgar.

Porn is one of the only truly honest art forms out there. If you look at porn by its most explicit definition:
"the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction"

then porn doesn't necessarily have to do with any specific picture or movie. It has to do with whatever media triggers you as an individual to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction. In this way it caters to everyone.

You sound like a preacher who proclaims that something is bad because "I said so" or the "the bible says so" or "hulk hogan said so." Qualitatively you do project your opinion or the opinions of others to create your views on subject matter but just because you happen to hold that opinion is by no means a worthy argument. "Your honor, jail him, because I think he/she's shit"

When one buys really cheap coffee, one can read on the back of the package: "A harmonic selection of assorted coffee types".

In other words: "This is shit!"

The coffe tastes like mud with a touch of sour monday in it. If you're able to enjoy a cup of this coffee, then perhaps you wouldn't be able to distinguish between this and a cup of espresso coffee.

The same with porn mags. If the emontional reaction you get from porn mags is profound to you the same way Shakespaere is to a poet, then perhaps you're nose and toungue simply aren't able to distinguish between "shit" and "not shit".

Can any of this be proven? No, of course not, and of course it reflects a "subjective view".
Also, you state "Porn is one of the only truly honest art forms out there". You have not, as far as I can see, attempted to give reason for this statement, but rather dwells with a slogan used to promote porn as an industry.

The same with intense/+forward demos. What I feel when I see demos without meaning, is that I'm watching something completely pointless, without any interest as to who wins. But I guess this reflects the scandinavian soul...

With +forward games, you'll get a better show of aim, movement and more likely to see what makes qw good. Not waiting round a corner spamming. Oh sorry, "prediction" and "tactics".

Your definition of intense is interesting. In the same way that world war II was interesting, but also very wrong :(

IMO.

the second game is absolute fucking chess with a "CHECKMATE!!!!" at the end

phil @ #27, I totally agree.

And that's what I liked about it.

transpotter @ #26: World war 2 was wrong? By whom?

I don't think you should entwine yourselves in politics... :)

So what you're saying is that a marinated chicken is "just marinade"? Hehe. If the world was just black or white, instead of a endless amount of colors, I might agree with you. Needless to say, it's not.

Assumption is the mother of all fuckups. Generalization is a special case of assumption. I understand how a person who finds competition and "winner takes it all" interesting cannot find interest in games that don't hold these things. However, assuming that for some reason every single competitive game is a +back game, you make a terrible mistake.

Some players just play better offensively. By pushing their opponent where they want him. I'm no duel expert, but honestly, who's to say which tactic is better? You're dissing the playstyle of the winner of the 1on1 comp at QHLAN-6. Yes, dag was there. He lost to reppie, who made it to the finals. Another offensive player.

You think griffin didn't want to win that game? You think reppie didn't want to win it? Hell, they all wanted to win it. But, regardless, they played THEIR game, not some pre-arranged "this is how you play to win" game.

That's what I love about QW. Options. I prefer to judge each demo by itself rather than to go out and say "all demos without CS sucks", or the opposite.

"transpotter @ #26: World war 2 was wrong? By whom?"

War is never right.

You come with statements like "war is not right" and that i think "black and white".

You're unable to back up your statements, and you don't even put in any effort to tear down my arguments. on top of that, you critisize me for being full of prejudice.

That is disrespectful.

You only muck yourself!

War means killing people. Killing people is never right. I didn't think that needed backing up. My bad. Asking "By whom?" about a war is like asking whether one persons cause is more just than the others. No matter what cause, killing another human being is never right. It may be the lesser of two evils; but that doesn't make it any less wrong.

Note that it's just my opinion, and you're free to think otherwise of course. I was only trying to explain his metaphor; he thought that your opinions were "interesting but wrong", just as he thinks WW2 was "interesting but wrong".

Anyhow. Tear down your arguments you say. Well, what arguments are those, I wonder, and reread the whole thread, finding nothing of interest once again.

Your basic idea is that anyone who doesn't play defensively doesn't want to win. Let me ask you; did you sit next to griffin as he was playing at qhlan6? No? Well, I was. In fact, I was sitting next to him the whole lan, since we were there as a clan. He didn't play to loose, I can tell you that much.

Your assumption that anyone who doesn't play defensively isn't there to win is faulty. You can enjoy defensive demos all you want, but cussing offensively players despite them winning over defensive players; now THAT'S disrespectful.

My point is not to give cause to either side, only that you should not blatantly say that "fuck those demos" only because they don't appeal to you as a person. Every person has their right to an opinion, and not respecting that is like not respecting yourself.

This is self-projection, you accuse me of what you yourself is guilty of.

Making you understand that is pointless.

zzz

Insane is a top player no matter what xamp and dreyfus say..Dag is the king of qw in europe imo..gg both

See here. Let me try to put it this way then.

Lets say you have a bundle of options, but you're in a fit. None of the options you have are right; they're all wrong, to some degree or another. Now, if one of them was less wrong than all the others, does that make it the right option? Hardly; it's still wrong.

The world isn't black and white. Sometimes we HAVE to pick the lesser of two evils, and in doing so, we may be forced into a war. Does that make it some "holy war" that's "right" in all it's meaning? Hell no, people are still dying aren't they?

Am I making sense yet?

The only reason I even started posting in this stupid thread is because of this comment.

"You don't see the football players GG'ing after a tough match and several bruises and injuries?
Why? Because they're there to win, not fool around
like frightened fags in a bar. I feel QW completely lacks intensity, but what the scene lacks Dag surely makes up for.

So how about those Griffin demos? Fuck them!"

1) Assumption made that all homosexuals are "frightened".
2) Assumption made that all football players are bad loosers.
3) Building on those two assumptions, you then go ahead to insult not only griffin, but all people who enjoy his demos and playstyle.

And YOU have the balls to call ME disrespectful? "O!K!"

and please stop all that fucking gaytalk!!!

I think WWII is the "rightest" war you will ever find. To stop genocide.... I also think its stupid to talk about it in a qwdemo forum...

"A war is never right, killing people is never right" - BULLSHIT. Please define the word "right" for me, oh you cant, cause everything changes depending on the point of view on the matter. For me there are no 'eternal' rights or wrongs...

ah and about the demos :) gg both players, would like to see those on equal pings, imho defensive demos rock :)

#38, I never even brought up WW2, someone else did to merely draw the "interesting but wrong" parallel. It was habit that felt it needed clarification, so I clarified.. and so forth.

billy, the definition of 'right' that would apply to this case would probably be something like: "Conforming with or conformable to justice, law, or morality."

Dag is sexy.

yeah dakoth - to our 'down to earth' sense of justice law and morality, yes, i agree with that

right = killing people!!

I AM TAUGHT THAT BY QUAKE!!

TIME TO GO SHOOT UP MY HIGH SCHOOL AHGAJJAJAJ!

wth is wrong with this thread?

i erased qw, but i bet demos were good =/

Hahahaha elvis presley's gym shorts - class havent even watched the demos but i pissed meself reading this thread - flaps...

habit loses! well played dakoth

the demo wasnt bad either..

billy, i think i understand your point, though correct me if i misinterpreted your view. would that make pedophilia "right" at some point, then? i guess i could multiply examples, but it seems correct to say certain actions are always "wrong". For what would wrong be if we had not some prior knowledge of good? i think the reverse holds as well.